Hi all, a few people have been talking over email about an idea for a longer, hands-on production event(s). The goal would be to do actual design + testing work together in a 6 week period to produce a specific output (a working prototype, a production-ready device/method/etc, accomplishing the core proof of concept work, etc.). Like a working vacation
Seemed appropriate to move to the so here’s the thread (sorry it’s in reverse order, so start at the bottom for the beginning of the discussion) -->
What do you think?
Tomorrow heading to Paris to work on open hardware with Juanma, Paula, Sachiko, Bengt et all. Will work on the Digital Biology Forum Node and think it would be great to have more of these ‘GOSH NODE" meetings /’ collaborative production events’ in the future. And maybe we can even find some Open Science Hardware. funding for makiing it happen (this time all through Juanma).
+1 move to the forum.
On the GOSH organizers end, we just spoke Monday and are going to work on breaking out the next year budget by mid-July (and develop timeline for next year, where event(s) will be). One of the various activities we’ve discussed committing to find funds for is a series of GOSH residencies (great idea Marc/Puneet).
hoi zäme, added shannon…
let’s move this discussion to the forum.
as mentioned earlier, i am a big fan of “collaborative production events”, great experiences back in the days at ?Interactivos?09 (after which we initiated hackteria), also my personal experiences in extended residencies in india, indonesia, which really brought me muuuuch further.
i think setting up a decentralized residency program in the gosh network, make more sense than just focusing on another even bigger gathering with “mostly talk”.
residencies play a biiiig role in many arts networks, unlike in engineering there is almost no such thing, and sabbaticals are just for old university farts.
i am out for sumatra, xian, hongkong, shenzhen and taipei the upcoming months. i could work on something like this.
Yeah, wherever works for me. I know we could do it here at least. People could stay in our cohousing community (which has a kitchen and all that stuff), and we could use Maker Works which has tons of tools and a great space for collaboration. And I can think of a few folks who could help with childcare like maybe George Albercook (rocksandrobots.com).
I’m sure there are many other places that work too. Figure some numbers if we do it on the cheap (6 weeks):
pay - $20/hr x 10 people x 60 hrs = $12,000
room + board - 10 x $200 = $2000
supplies - $2500
space (tools + stuff) - $1000
travel - $750 x 10 = $7500
That’s only like $25,000 … not really that much for what we could accomplish in 6 weeks.
Seems like a steal of a deal to me. It’s almost crowd-fundable with some help with promotion.
On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 12:33 PM, Marc Dusseiller email@example.com wrote:
i am in!
call it gosh residency program.
taipei? shenzhen? surabaya?
u name it!
I can get some stuff sorted out.
On 23 Jun 2017 17:27, “Greg Austic” firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
Can I throw out a crazy idea real quick among friends here?
OK - so collaboration is hard, unless you live next to someone and you have the time. It’s hard to live next to everyone It’s hard for many people to even leave for a weekend (people with kids), and hard to justify leaving for a long time (people with rents to pay), and anyway we all know you can’t get anything done in a weekend.
When I think about the coolest projects IMO (like the single pixel camera, Urs and Marc’s work), which are most ‘off the grid’ in terms of being independent from existing institutions, we have so many hard parts down pretty well (people, skills, concepts, use cases, even time). The most lacking element is significant, committed, structured time for in-person collaboration. That feels like a solvable problem.
What if there was a place that supported longer (6 weeks let’s say) hackathons, with all the services anyone would need to do it. Like:
- Childcare (bring your kid / kids)
- Cheap / free place to stay, with a place to make breakfast, lunch and dinner.
- Tools + space and all that to work.
- Ideally colocated with industrial partners who can help with quick turnarounds (PCB makers, etc.)
- Everyone is paid an hourly rate (maybe modest but pays the bills)… like $20 bucks an hour. Maybe some kind of compensation based on the quality/value of the output from the event.
I think 20 years ago this wasn’t possible - hardware ordering times were too long so minor changes could produce week long delays for shipping… but that’s totally changed. McMaster, Digikey, Amazon Prime… turnaround times for ordering are a day, and includes Saturday! If we were colocated next to OSH Park (or even at Maker Works where we can make routed 2 sided boards), we could get board revisions turned around in a day too.
So… wouldn’t that be awesome? We could prepare beforehand to have as many of the long lead-time components in stock as possible. And if we were working on things that were open source but had benefits to a company, perhaps we could get it funded. Hamamatsu is a good example, but I’m sure we could think of others.
I feel like we could straight up build a single pixel camera in 6 weeks with the right group. We could do for 100k what a company could do for 1M, no doubt in my mind. What do you think?
On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 9:25 AM, Urs Gaudenz email@example.com wrote:
Thank you Greg, great.
Telescope is an option for the single photon detector. I plan to integrate it into the DVD scanner as we want to see single cell luminescence
On 06/23/2017 03:13 PM, Greg Austic wrote:
Definitely - I can make a new subgroup no problem -
Done - ok Urs - please add a welcome message to the first post in the community (link - Welcome to Digital Biology). I transferred ownership of that post to you so off you go!
I’m really glad that the GOSH forum can provide a useful place for discussions for these communities, it’s exciting to see so much activity.
PS - I’m waiting for a few more items before shipping the kits. Bengt will get one so connect with him on hacking on it. The core value of the single pixel camera design is in making any detector into a camera, so it’s definitely a good fit. Might be interesting to hook into telescope - right? Am I on the right track there?
On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 8:29 AM, Urs Gaudenz firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
How are you? Guess GOSH2017 was a great success, I still hear people talking about it and meeting in the network. As discussed in Geneva and Chile I think it would be cool to have some more “official” subgroups working on “fields” of open hardware such as the “Single Pixel Camera”. I would like to suggest “Digital Biology” with the OpenDrop / DropBot / Digital Microfludics etc as a GOSH Community group. I saw you have a “Community-Sub-Catagory” for the single pixel camera on the forum.openhardware.science/ . Would you be ok to add the category “Digital Biology”. With Juanma and Ryan we are organizing a CoLab on microfluidics next week in Pairs (as you may have already seen on the forum). And this would be a good start for the new Community on the GOSH forum.
PS: I am working on the open source single photon detector… that could maybe be integrated in the Single Pixel Camera